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09:34:37 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : hackmd for the meeting right now: https://hackmd.io/@peterkaminski/SJ8-1GVKu 09:36:49 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : thank you, Pete 09:38:32 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : Tk ethos :) 09:38:34 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : What does tk actually stand for? 09:39:07 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_come_(publishing) 09:39:39 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : a valuable characteristic is that it's a unique string that's easy to search for 09:41:32 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : the programming tribes have similar but different: - [Fixme Comment](http://wiki.c2.com/?FixmeComment) - [PEP 350 \-\- Codetags](https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0350/) (Python.org) 09:44:55 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Is this group for now “invite only” or public? 09:45:20 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : GC? 09:45:46 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : We just set a time like a few hours ago.... 09:46:17 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : sorry! forgot to turn on the recording 09:46:21 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : And I think the question of privacy is a precursor to making an event in Trove 09:46:31 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : yeah :) 09:48:31 From Matt Saiia (he/him) to Everyone : can i get a link to trove 09:48:53 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Yes! 09:48:56 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : https://www.catalist.network/explore-events 09:49:02 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Link to the site^ 09:49:18 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : And Matt you can invite yourself to the OGM group here: 09:49:20 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : Matt, go here to create your account: https://www.catalist.network/invite/ogm 09:49:29 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Thanks Jerry :) 09:49:31 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : :) 09:51:13 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : Joe is holtzerman on Mattermost? 09:51:21 From charles blass to Everyone : Correct 09:51:22 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : yes 09:51:29 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : tx. sure wish his name were his name :) 09:51:43 From charles blass to Everyone : I never heard the origin story 09:51:53 From charles blass to Everyone : that's his user elsewhere too 09:52:27 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : if/when there's more onboarding process/concierges to CSC mattermost, we'll recommend that people add their full name to their profile 09:53:22 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Can I stack briefly about the openness/invitation/privacy of the generative commons emergent group? Could be later but after we finish the MOU 09:53:55 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : i think it's good idea 09:54:13 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : here are the docs Pete created: https://wiki.openglobalmind.com/the_generative_commons/the_generative_commons_-_founding_document and https://wiki.openglobalmind.com/the_generative_commons/the_generative_commons_-_community_agreement 09:57:00 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : Matt, there’s Google’s Data Liberation Front: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Data_Liberation_Front 10:13:09 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : seed, feed, weed-ish 10:14:08 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : how do brands become barriers? 10:15:21 From charles blass to Everyone : Guilt structure :-p 10:15:32 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : very catholic/jewish :) 10:15:53 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Do guilds have brands? 🤨 10:16:02 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : coats of arms :) 10:16:11 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : seals 10:16:14 From charles blass to Everyone : @vincent - a clue contained in the design systems approach -> brand systems? 10:18:27 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : And the tool should be flexible to model and approximate the ideal social engineering which is decided by people (IMO) 10:18:32 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Tools* 10:18:50 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : So if we don’t decide that’s making a decision 10:19:06 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : And then the tools will not know what to do.... or be defaulted. 10:20:17 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : @pete yes^ what is the policy because if we don’t decide the decision will be made by some default :) 10:20:32 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : love “I come from OGM” 10:23:46 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Jordan I am curious to hear your thoughts as the initial catalyst of the document... 10:25:22 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : btw, another fine-grained question is that OGM WIki currently has a CC-BY-SA license statement at the bottom of each public web page, because it's a decent default, and we haven't discussed if it should something else, like CC-BY, and so, the GC documents are currently published under CC-BY-SA. Is that the right license? 10:28:57 From charles blass to Everyone : +111 'design for trust, and from trust' - matt 10:30:18 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : thought we’d done CC-BY only, no? 10:31:10 From charles blass to Everyone : @pete pls remind what's the basic choice with the GCA license? 10:31:19 From charles blass to Everyone : attribution, or? 10:33:31 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : @jerry, we have CC-BY for OGM mainsite; OGM wiki is still CC-BY-SA, due to none of us having talked about it yet 10:33:35 From charles blass to Everyone : jerry - 'in nurturing and stewarding the commons, there's always power and politics involved' 10:33:41 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : @charles, does that answer your q? 10:33:59 From charles blass to Everyone : spell out pls? 10:34:11 From charles blass to Everyone : srry, don't recall exactly what those are 10:34:26 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : ah, BY = attribution, SA = sharealike 10:34:32 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : Hacking for the Commons (2020) https://bra.in/7jM82e Philippe Borrel 10:34:38 From charles blass to Everyone : thx 10:34:43 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : viewable for $7 on Vimeo 10:35:05 From Lauren Nignon to Everyone : Philippe! He is in Paris with me! 10:35:15 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Rule 1 of generative commons) No one owns the generative commons 10:35:39 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : schweet! 10:35:53 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : there is no generative commons? 10:36:43 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : also, ND = no derivatives here are the summarized options: https://creativecommons.org/about/cclicenses/ 10:36:53 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : and NC = non-commercial 10:37:46 From charles blass to Everyone : I remembered :-) 10:39:01 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Feels like the dinner party ethic is governing us at the moment....if you invite someone can they bring a plus 1? An example: I’d like to invite someone not in this call to the call on Wednesday. Is that cool and up to my discernment? 10:39:12 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : that sounds great to me 10:39:44 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : the commons doesn't really need to be owned by itself; "ownership" comes from enclosure culture. (but maybe when we're talking to enclosure people, we will need to tell them the commons owns itself, or some other mind hack) 10:40:52 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : has anyone else done it better? how to do international governance? 10:41:20 From Matt Saiia (he/him) to Everyone : brb 10:41:51 From Judith Benham to Everyone : +Pete 10:42:34 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : stewardship vs ownership? 10:42:42 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : is my fav contrast 10:45:37 From charles blass to Everyone : commons owning itself: reminds me of the tree, and the river, which have been set up it own themselves into eternity 10:46:13 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : hacking corporate personhood to give rights to Nature 10:46:47 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : "Humans Need to Create Interspecies Money to Save the Planet | WIRED" https://media.wired.com/photos/60997346f2564ec31ad3ea61/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Interspecies-Money.jpg 10:46:58 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : (sorry, wrong link) 10:47:10 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : "Humans Need to Create Interspecies Money to Save the Planet | WIRED" https://www.wired.com/story/interspecies-money/ (fixed link) 10:50:06 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : it all started 3.3 million years ago, when hominids starting making tools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomekwi 10:51:08 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : damn those hominids! 10:51:08 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Just made a link for the event... for now it’s public so y’all can see it without logging in, but this could be changed if necessary 10:51:22 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : thank you! 10:51:23 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : https://www.catalist.network/event/1621532681242x445821844902379500 10:51:32 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : tx Vincent! 10:52:01 From charles blass to Everyone : ThankYou Vincent 10:52:23 From charles blass to Everyone : matt: gca owned by gaia 10:52:38 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : “Powered by Gaia” everywhere :) 10:52:45 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Oooo I like that 10:52:50 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : or “Gaia Inside” ;P 10:54:37 From charles blass to Everyone : GaiaOS 10:54:46 From Pete Kaminski to Everyone : or "Gaia Around Us" ;P 10:55:49 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Gotta run y’all. This has been great :) 10:55:57 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : tx Vincent! 10:56:33 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Can someone save the chat plz? On mobile :) 10:56:38 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : yes 10:56:44 From Vincent Arena to Everyone : Awesome. Talk soon 10:56:59 From Jerry Michalski to Everyone : I’ll post it to Stewards. or elsewhere 10:57:15 From charles blass to Everyone : Commoning Sovereign 10:57:26 From charles blass to Everyone : CommonSovereign