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Gil Philip Friend
Who him?
Jerry Michalski
Bill Fenwick Sherry Turkle: collaborative interruptions?
Bill Fenwick
Sherry Turkle: collaborative interruptions?
Pete Kaminski
https://twitter.com/STurkle/status/412844660994744320 We interrupt our experience to make a record of it. We don't experience interruption as disruption. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/opinion/the-documented-life.html
https://twitter.com/STurkle/status/412844660994744320
We interrupt our experience to make a record of it. We don't experience interruption as disruption.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/16/opinion/the-documented-life.html
Stacey Druss
Is the Serious Conversations that you are speaking of, related to the FB group that Sam Hahn is an admin of?
re communication styles, a tiktok about "coooperative overlapping" as a sign of engagement in some cultures, and terribly rude in others. https://www.tiktok.com/@gaydhdgoddess/video/6931518541917146374 "keep being in meetings where people try to avoid the strangeness"
re communication styles, a tiktok about "coooperative overlapping" as a sign of engagement in some cultures, and terribly rude in others. https://www.tiktok.com/@gaydhdgoddess/video/6931518541917146374
"keep being in meetings where people try to avoid the strangeness"
beat me to it! What is to be done? Gil, Mark, Stacey
beat me to it!
What is to be done?
Gil, Mark, Stacey
Johanne and I started watching "Chernobyl" on HBO recently, and climate change feels like the same kind of disaster and ignorance, just spread over decades rather than days and weeks.
Chernobyl was fantastic. The series, not the incident. Before European Hegemony: The World System A.D. 1250-1350 (1989) life getting more complex people living longer <— things I disagree with we’re living through a moment of punctuated equilibrium… sort of
Chernobyl was fantastic. The series, not the incident.
Before European Hegemony: The World System A.D. 1250-1350 (1989)
life getting more complex
people living longer
<— things I disagree with
we’re living through a moment of punctuated equilibrium… sort of
gotta surf the waves
surf or drown… 🙂 Winston is great someone has a machine that goes ping!
surf or drown… 🙂
Winston is great
someone has a machine that goes ping!
"sharing of value"
Mark Carranza
the shock of the old: technology and global history since 1900, by David Edgerton
"Four Pests campaign - Wikipedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_campaign the mosquitos responsible for malaria the rodents that spread the plague the pervasive airborne flies the sparrows—specifically the Eurasian tree sparrow—which ate grain seed and fruit
"Four Pests campaign - Wikipedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_campaign
the mosquitos responsible for malaria the rodents that spread the plague the pervasive airborne flies the sparrows—specifically the Eurasian tree sparrow—which ate grain seed and fruit
discomfort is being expressed, it’s just being suppressed and not heard
non sequitur: "Why was Facebook up in the first place?" https://twitter.com/caseyrosenthal/status/1445368928717484036
does sensemaking include hearing people who are ignored? escalation backlash
does sensemaking include hearing people who are ignored?
escalation
backlash
"Nigeria Confronts the Toxic Legacy of 60 Years of Abundant Oil" https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2020-niger-delta-oil-pollution/
this one? Our Own Metaphor: A Personal Account of a Conference on the Effects of Conscious Purpose on Human Adaptation
after months of picking up flotsam and trash on san diego beaches, johanne and i switched from saying "humans are terrible" to "some humans are (very) terrible"
lawyer vs Chevron. Defund the Police
Structural Defects of Late Capital-ism [work in progress] - Accumulation without limit - Extraction without reciprocity - Alienation without care - Abstraction without ground - (Generation without regeneration) - Privatization without solidarity
Stacey, Michael, John are you just an antibody vacuuming machine? it’s that talking cure again
Stacey, Michael, John
are you just an antibody vacuuming machine?
it’s that talking cure again
it's more fun to do things together. (it's more frustrating, too, but hey.)
self-patron, for a while, mutual patroning is where I'd like to go
what do the [raw] transcripts of these conversations look like? @Pete i still suspect we would benefit with a gifted editor to cull and refine
what do the [raw] transcripts of these conversations look like?
@Pete i still suspect we would benefit with a gifted editor to cull and refine
doug
my stuff at douglasscarmichael.substack.com
Michael, John, Marc
@Gil, i don't disagree, but unless we are doing it ourselves in the first place, we are just being lazy and (i think) irresponsible in not doing it ourselves and getting better at it, together. it's like kids playing in the living room, and expecting mom to pick up after them.
+1 doug +1 pete (i just suspect it’s a larger task than we can likely muster)
+1 doug
+1 pete
(i just suspect it’s a larger task than we can likely muster)
it is a huge task, but it’s one we can approach in small ways Trump Hacked the Media https://bra.in/9p6g9Q
it is a huge task, but it’s one we can approach in small ways
Trump Hacked the Media https://bra.in/9p6g9Q
ok then, let’s do!
the larger tribe of outrage
The right has also invested heavily in employing journalists and amplifying messages.
so Gil, you’ve been exploring the collaborative book space, right? can we help expand/do that?
"journalists" not a good word in this case.
churnalists yep
churnalists
yep
John, Marc, Julian, Pete, me Teen Vogue is amazingly good now and then some of this is media literacy of the kind Howard Rheingold and Peeragogy are working on, like Crap Detection
John, Marc, Julian, Pete, me
Teen Vogue is amazingly good now and then
some of this is media literacy of the kind Howard Rheingold and Peeragogy are working on, like Crap Detection
I think the outrage is a distraction from powerlessness.
totally except it works at holding power, so they’re still holding power oops! Doug, just noticed your hand up. will make room
totally
except it works at holding power, so they’re still holding power
oops! Doug, just noticed your hand up. will make room
"Information mapping - Wikipedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_mapping
Bob Horn https://bra.in/5vPg6J info mapping https://bra.in/3jXKmy
Bob Horn https://bra.in/5vPg6J
info mapping https://bra.in/3jXKmy
is there a way to have the benefits of robocuration (feeding me things that it ‘knows’ i’d be interested, plus occasional random gifts) without the narrowing, rage-generating effects we see now?
Julian Gómez
One thing is that you’d need to remove the profit motive behind the robocuration.
@Gil, Google is doing that pretty well for my on my Pixel phone And not as well, but still interesting, ThreadHelper (Chrome plugin) is trying to do serendipity on Twitter: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/threadhelper/nfadnflafdfmekapgcgddbccooagpndk
@Gil, Google is doing that pretty well for my on my Pixel phone
And not as well, but still interesting, ThreadHelper (Chrome plugin) is trying to do serendipity on Twitter: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/threadhelper/nfadnflafdfmekapgcgddbccooagpndk
no topsy turvydom?
here's the Google thing (it helps a lot that it stalks my Google searches): "Introducing Google Discover: Discover new information and inspiration with Search, no query required" https://blog.google/products/search/introducing-google-discover/ it produces a lot of boring items, but there are also a few gems, personalized for me. (i still prefer my Twitter stream for value and volume, but Google Discover adds a little signal to my life, too.)
Michael Grossman (he/him) Factr.com
@Gil, I’d say that it’s giving YOU hands-on control of your robocurator, based on YOUR incentives (which change: save time vs be entertained, focus vs be distracted), as opposed to the current norm of a 3rd party robocurator with economic interest in maintaining your attention.
Marc, Julian, Pete, me
(The customer is you, not advertisers)
Marc Thibault
Nativien : A Model For The Amazon https://uplink.weforum.org/uplink/s/uplink-contribution/a012o00001pTf0dAAC/nativien
@Pete thanks re Discover. Should I ignore all the “abandon Chrome immediately” articles I’ve been seeing? ;-)
@Pete thanks re Discover. Should I ignore all the “abandon Chrome immediately” articles I’ve been seeing?
;-)
@Gil, chacun à son goût ;-) pick your poison, and unless you're eliminating everything digital, you're probably soaking in poison
@Gil, chacun à son goût ;-)
pick your poison, and unless you're eliminating everything digital, you're probably soaking in poison
Trillion Tree Campaign: https://bra.in/7joyE5
btw, a small side element of Neal Stephenson's "Fall; or, Dodge in Hell" is personalized, curated feeds. they cost money (and provide huge value), so rich people have great ones, and not-rich people don't. (Reading note, you have to read REAMDE before Fall. You don't have to read Fall, but if you like brain uploading, you might like it.)
Announcement https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/09/innovations-restoration-amazon-bioeconomy-ecopreneurs www.1t.org the 1 trillion tree challenge https://www.1t.org/
Announcement https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/09/innovations-restoration-amazon-bioeconomy-ecopreneurs
www.1t.org the 1 trillion tree challenge
https://www.1t.org/
@Pete link?
@Gil, for Fall, or REAMDE, or ?
yes
they're just ("just") science fiction novels. amazon (pick your poison) or your library would work. I recommend starting with Seven Eves before either of those, or Diamond Age if you remember nanotechnology. I love about half of his books, and meh about the other half. Note that many people find him to write indulgently and overlong, which is either charming or annoying, depending on whether you like it. :-)
A local (Alameda) trees iniaitiatve https://www.100ktrees4humanity.com/about (I’m an advisor)
Gasoline thus has about 100 times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery
What Alan Kay Thinks About The iPhone and Technology Now (2017-09-15) (Neal Stephenson covers some of this territory as well in In the Beginning Was the Command Line, particularly in the sections The Interface Culture and Morlocks and Eloi at the Keyboard.)
What Alan Kay Thinks About The iPhone and Technology Now (2017-09-15)
(Neal Stephenson covers some of this territory as well in In the Beginning Was the Command Line, particularly in the sections The Interface Culture and Morlocks and Eloi at the Keyboard.)
@Mark: in the vehicle. what about whole-system? Do we know?
Engelbart’s augmented (social) systems
@Gil Imagine we gotta look it up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
@Mark Quick search: there’s a lot on the topic, will take some sifting
our Thursday reveries…
+1 Pete
Side note: Banana Republic is a weird but amazing example of how brand names become totally malleable nonsense words, ripe for redefinition. Clear descriptive names seem good in the short run, but are straitjackets in the long run. Banana Republic might have called themselves the Multi-pocket Adventure Travel-wear Company (which is what they were, and why they chose the name—in a ‘70s ironic band-name way), but they would have hit a dead-end when people stopped wanted to dress like Indian Jones.
Side note: Banana Republic is a weird but amazing example of how brand names become totally malleable nonsense words, ripe for redefinition. Clear descriptive names seem good in the short run, but are straitjackets in the long run.
Banana Republic might have called themselves the Multi-pocket Adventure Travel-wear Company (which is what they were, and why they chose the name—in a ‘70s ironic band-name way), but they would have hit a dead-end when people stopped wanted to dress like Indian Jones.
nice! how you eat an elephant 🙂
Indiana
output, rather than input/ingest bits in - bits out -> bits through
output, rather than input/ingest
bits in - bits out -> bits through
Polanyi: https://bra.in/9qZQrB
"Laurie Anderson Has a Message for Us Humans - The New York Times" https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/06/magazine/laurie-anderson.html
I really want to know what creature took that enormous bite out of Julian’s elephant. If that’s “one bite at a time”, we can make short work of all the imposing elephants in the room.
@Pete thank you.
@Gil, thank you. :-)
Re balanced diet: i occasionally learn that when I, for example, exercise before diving into ‘work,’ the work goes better even if it takes place in ‘less available time’
+1 slow is smooth, smooth is fast
+1
slow is smooth, smooth is fast
slowing down. the meta calls. the big fungus. floating ideas, waiting for people to step in and run. Mark and I do this automatically, wherever we participate. dilettantes? sweep the dojo. focus calls. alternate Thursdays?
More fundamentallly, I may assume to ‘paying work’ comes from work-seeking activities (ie, sales+marketing), when in fact my best paying work has come from thinking deeply, communicating actively, and letting the flow flow. Thanks for the reminder.
Agreed. :-)
Is there a list of all the calls “we” do? {How many hours/week? ;-)
probably not an updated one. the Trove calendar is a start
Obsidian is good at that name chaning @Pete link? (again… :-}
Obsidian is good at that name chaning
@Pete link? (again… :-}
Ha! Pattern language development in MassiveWiki is what I am into right now
@Gil, https://www.catalist.network/explore-events ; there's some filtering and searching that you can do that might make it more what you want
@Pete TY @Pete calendar is blank Sun-Weds every week
@Pete TY
@Pete calendar is blank Sun-Weds every week
i should make and share an Obisidian page (aka Massive Wiki page) of the calls i know of
this Monica? https://bra.in/4jkXwZ
Massive Wiki is still only weakly social, but we have aspirations of getting lots better; FedWiki is more social right now, but perhaps even a little more arcane than MW.
practices sweeping the dojo posting things in the world
practices
sweeping the dojo
posting things in the world